Real-time voice with LLMs hits two big walls: accuracy drifts as conversations grow, and latency stacks up with STT plus multiple LLM sessions. A Hacker News thread highlights these pain points in real-time STT→LLM→structured output pipelines. [1]
• Accuracy decay as the conversation length increases. [1] • Latency stacking across STT and LLM steps makes interactions feel sluggish. [1] • Workarounds discussed include chunking, smarter retrieval, smaller NLU models, and streaming tricks. [1]
On the mitigation side, RLVR and RL-ZVP show a path forward. They use token-level entropy to guide advantage shaping, extracting learning signals even from zero-variance prompts. [2] An HuggingFace paper describes this approach and reports gains of up to 8.61 points in accuracy and 7.77 points in pass rates on six math benchmarks. [2] RL-ZVP rewards correctness without needing contrasting responses; the entropy term is detached so the gradient stays unbiased. [2]
Roadmap for live voice agents: • Adopt entropy-guided RL feedback loops (RLVR, RL-ZVP) to boost correctness and robustness. [2] • Leverage zero-variance prompts to surface learning signals in real-time tasks. [2] • Blend these signals with the real-time engineering tricks from the thread: chunking, smarter retrieval, smaller NLU models, and streaming techniques. [1] • Benchmark gains on realistic live tasks and target improvements similar to those reported in RL-ZVP findings. [2]
The future is real-time: marry streaming STT with principled RL feedback to keep live voice agents fast and accurate.
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Ask HN: What pain points have you found orchestrating real-time STT and LLMs?
Discussions on pain points, accuracy decay, latency, and workarounds for real-time voice agents integrating STT, LLMs, and structured output
View source[R] No Prompt Left Behind: Exploiting Zero-Variance Prompts in LLM Reinforcement Learning via Entropy-Guided Advantage Shaping
Proposes RL-ZVP, leverages zero-variance prompts in LLM reinforcement learning, showing improved accuracy and pass rates over GRPO, with entropy guidance.
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