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Are arena 'draws' meaningful? Rethinking LLM evaluation with Elo and cross-model correctness

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Arena-style battles promise crisp wins, losses, and draws. But a critique argues draws aren’t true parity, and Elo ratings can misread what a draw actually means when ranking models. This is exactly the debate sparked by arena-based evals like Chatbot Arena [1].

Draws Aren’t Parity — On three arena datasets, ignoring draws when updating Elo ratings improves outcome prediction by 1-3%, even while draws stay on the tally. Draws also cluster on easy or objective queries, suggesting they reflect task familiarity or engagement rather than real skill differences [1].

Time, Engagement, and Tail Queries — A proposed approach divides evaluator decision time by the estimated reading time of outputs to separate fast draws (low engagement) from slow draws (where evaluators engage and still differ). This tail-focused lens pushes us to ask which queries actually reveal model strength, not just what the crowd happens to click on [1].

Cross-Model Correctness: The General Correctness Model — The General Correctness Model (GCM) learns to predict correctness across models. A single GCM outperforms model-specific CMs and transfers to new models and data without retraining, achieving about +30% coverage versus a much larger model like Llama-3-70B (built on Qwen3-8B as the base) [2]. This shows why cross-model, transferable metrics matter more than tallying wins/draws alone.

Closing thought: robust LLM evaluation needs cross-model, distribution-aware metrics that capture tail queries, transferability, and real-world engagement—not just win/lose/draw tallies [2].

References

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Reddit

[R] New paper shows that draws in LLM battles aren't what you think

Discusses arena-style LLM evaluations, draw interpretation, and rating schemes (Elo); questions modeling timelines and meaningful differences between models in practice.

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Reddit

[R] New paper: LLMs don't have privileged self knowledge, which means we can efficiently train a General Correctness Model to predict the correctness of multiple models. Surprising or expected?

Discusses a paper showing LLMs lack privileged self knowledge; GCM trained across models outperforms model-specific CMs; mixed viewpoints in thread

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